This article proves that the Sauds are the limit.
First of all, was Mohammed a prophet? Of course. Was he a good one? No. He was a war-monger, a pedophile, a rapist and a thief. To ask anyone to accept him or anyone like him as a prophet is intellectually and morally absurd, to say the least.
Secondly, what kind of person would demand that someone else embrace a tenet of their religion in order to be treated justly? You must embrace Christ to be a Christian but nothing should prevent one from treating someone else like a human being. Imagine if a Christian demanded that a Jew or Buddhist accept Christ before getting a drink of water. It would be outrageous. If what is being proposed in the article isn't outrageous, then I must not have a full understanding of the word.
Thirdly, who asks for dialogue and make demands immediately? A selfish, inconsiderate person does. Forever the victim and forever needy. The House of Saud has our oil money. They want out self-respect too.
Lastly, the audacity one must possess to behave the way the Sauds have (indeed, a great bulk of Islamists) is truly astounding. Everything and anything offends them. They have yet to prove that they are a peaceful and rational people awaiting dialogue and peaceful relations with everyone else. They lie when it suits them.
We have bended over for them. When will they reciprocate?
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Good points! Islam is a one way street and the rest of the non-muslim world needs to wake up and "smell the Islamisation" that is going on right under their noses. Sharia creep is becoming a fast crawl.........
mohammed was not a prophet. he was a messanger. you don't know what you're talking about. make a review of the definition of "prophet" and see if that fits mohammed.
it doesn't.
I thank you for your comments, visitors.
Anonymous, the article refers to Mohammed as a prophet. Indeed, he is referred to by many as a prophet. Is he just that? No. Is he a messenger? Only for himself. Remember- he was the one who declared himself so. It's in the Koran.
Un-freaking-believable! I learn so much over here.
Great post!
you stated "of course he was" as if it were a natural fact just because mohammed declared himself so and just because a billion brainwashed muslims believe it. i could claim to be the queen of england and convince others to believe it too but that doesn't make it so. don't refer to mohammed as a prophet just because he said he was. call him "a self-proclaimed prophet".
It is very unfortunate that your views are so Right Wing and Ethrocentric. Christians have been demanding loyality and allegiance to their religion since its conception. It still happens today. If you've seen of TV (and we all have) the Christians Children Network - you know where you can donate money, and it goes to support children in the 3rd world. The money never actually reaches the child UNTIL they renounce their former religion, accept Christ into their lives, memorize certain bible passages and recruit other children in their family. How sad. Their motto should be "either be Christian or starve to death". So to answer your question - those are the kind of people who would demand that somone else embrace a tenet of their religion in order to be treated justly, and FED. So I guess Christianity is just as Outrageous as the rest of the religions out there..
Whoa, I can't believe I missed this one.
I won't touch "ethnocentric" or "right-wing" because these claims are utterly baseless. I will, however, address a few other points.
Dialogue means that all parties agree to discuss something without expectations. The House of Saud wants all parties to agree to something- principally, that Mohammed is THE prophet and all other religions will bow before Islam- before they speak. It would be as if I asked you to agree with me in order to post on this blog. That would hardly be fair.
Yes, Christ said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light." and that is largely interpreted as accepting Christ and only Christ. This does not reflect the reality of charity groups overseas. I have not heard of charity groups witholding aid until they see conversions. Such things would be reprehensible and certainly un-Christian. Also, the number of Christians would be much higher than reported.
I believe I have furnished you with proof. What do you have to show me other than some baseless claims and some rather naive insults?
Yes, the House of Saud wants all parties to agree that "principally" Mohammed is THE prophet. However all religions want their Icons, Prophets, Deities, or Savours to be recognized as the one and only true messenger of God.
Well... It’s almost as if I do have to agree with you to post on this blog, any opinions that do not reflect your own are highly scrutinized, and criticized. Fair? No.
The fact that you have not "heard" of Christian based charity groups withholding aid until conversion simply does not make the statement any less true, or untrue. I would suggest that you find your own proof, just like the rest of us have been lead too. For until you seek and discover the truth yourself, my ramblings will only be considered the bias gibberish of some anti Christian nut. So seek the truth, discover it, incorporate it into your being, and enlighten yourself with something other than the mainstream media, and its propaganda.
You are absolutely right, such things as withholding aid for non-Christians is certainly un-Christian. It's certainly a sad situation, I am sure Christ has shed many tears that his words are being used as a tool of manipulation, while his children go unclothed, and unfed. Also, whom might everyone wonder reports the number of Christians in these remote locations...? Well simply the answer is the Christians that are providing "aid". You'll only receive the information that they want you to hear. Could there be some reason, or function to withhold numbers and statistics, it's possible, but I have never found proof of reason for this, so I can't say weather a withhold of information is present or not. Remember that History is always recorded by the Victor, and News is delivered to us by Rich Old White Men.
You have not furnished anyone with proof; again you have cited only your opinion, as I have done. I can not criticize you for this, as I would be a hypocrite, all I can do is urge you to find the information yourself if you find yourself in a state of disbelief, as I have done. I am not refuting ANY of your original statements or claims – the burden of proof is on you, not on me my dear.
So what do you have to show us other than some common knowledge headline in the C2 section of the Globe and Mail?
All these religions are our creations, not Gods. God is the whole enchilada, he is beyond it all. Every religion claims there is only one God (which by the way is true), but in the next breath, each religion claims to be the "favourite", and that its scriptures were written personally by God. Oh Boy, what complicated nonsense. Listen, God is our Father AND Mother, and they don't play favourites among us Children. Also, I hate to break it to you, but God doesn't write. His longhand is awful!! He's more of a "doer" anyways. So ALL of those books, including the Bible were written by men and women. They were inspired, remarkable people, but they made mistakes here and there. God made sure of that so that you would never trust a written word more than your own living heart. You see, one human being to them, even a bum on the street is worth more than all the Holy Books in the world.
God's spirit is not a historical thing, its alive, right here, right now, as fresh as your next breath. Holy books and religious rites are sacred, and powerful, but not more than the least of us. They were only meant to steer us in the right direction, not to keep us arguing with one another, and certainly not to keep us from trusting our own personal connection with God.
We need to stop thinking as Religion as some sort of loyalty pledge to God. The true purpose of our religions is so that WE can become more aware of God, not the other way around. Believe me, he already knows us. He knows what’s in each of our hearts, and God loves us with no strings attached. No matter who we are. Brown, White, Gay, Straight, Pro Choice, Pro Life, it doesn’t matter. You look at the petty differences in your Scriptures and say, "Well, if THIS is the truth, then THAT can't be!" But instead of trying to figure out their Paradoxes and Unfathomable Nature, which by the way, we NEVER will, why not open our hearts to the simple common threads in all religions? You know what I'm talking about. Love and respect everyone. Be kind, even when life is scary or confusing. Take courage and be of good cheer, for they are always with us. Learn how to be quiet, so we can hear their still, small voice. (They don't like to shout).Leave the world a better place by living your life with dignity and gracefulness, for you are their Own Children. Hold back nothing from life, for the parts of you that can die surely will, and the parts that can't, won't.
Simple stuff. Why do we keep making it so complicated? It's like society is always looking for an excuse to be upset. And I’m sure God is very tired of being the main excuse. Do you think they care what you call them....? Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Diana, Wakantonka, Brahma, Cerridwen, Father, Mother, God, Goddess or even the Void of Nirvana? Do you think they care which of their special children you feel closest to, Jesus, Mary, Buddha, Krishna, Gerald, Mohammed or any of the others? You can call them and their Special Ones any name you choose, if only you would go about your business of loving one another as they love us.
How can we keep neglecting something so simple? I’m not telling anyone to abandon their religions. Enjoy your religions, honour them, learn from them, just as you should enjoy, honour, and learn from your parents. But do you walk around telling everyone that your parents are better than theirs? Your religion, like your parents, may always have the most special place in your hearts; they don't mind that at all. And they don't want you to combine all the Great Traditions in One Big Mess. Each religion is unique for a reason. Each has a unique style so that people can find the best path for themselves. Religion is like Rome – they are many paths, and many roads to get to the same destination. Each is different, but each is correct. Know that their Special Children, the ones that your religions revolve around, all live in the same place, (Our heart), and they get along perfectly, I assure you. The clergy must stop creating a myth of sibling rivalry where there is none.
The world has grown too small for our pervasive religious bigotry and confusion. The whole planet is connected by air travel, satellite dishes, telephones, fax machines, rock concerts, diseases, and mutual needs and concerns.
Get with the program! If you really want to help, then commit yourselves to figuring out how to feed your hungry, clothe your naked, protect your abused, and shelter your poor. And just as importantly, make your own everyday life a shining example of kindness and good humour. They have given us all the resources we need, if only we abandon our fear of each other and begin living, loving and laughing together.
Do I make sense at all?
Bret, I am not sure what you want from me.
Yes, I have provided relevant sources for viewer perusal. Can you show me where you get your information?
The vast difference between my fervent beliefs is that I won't kill anyone for them.
What more can Christians do for the world that they are not already doing? Indeed, there are many people from many walks of life and creeds who are doing so many things for others. What else do you want them to do?
Religions are different. Yeah. So? What is your point here?
I'm not sure what you would like to hear.
BRET:
In answer to the question at the end of your diatribe, no you don't make any sense at all.
When the blogger is accused of espousing a faith that denies aid to those who will not convert, the "burden of proof" is on the person who CLAIMS THAT TO BE THE CASE, not the blogger. How can you "make sense" when you miss something as obvious as that? No proof, or even evidence, has been furnished by yourself or any of the extreme-left, political correctness witch hunters who are often unable to even maintain good manners when posting in SOMEONE ELSE'S BLOG. You "...suggest (to the blogger)that you find your own proof, just like the rest of us have been lead too." So, you have found your own proof? Where is it? You, or anyone else commenting on the original post would win the debate that you have turned the post into by simply furnishing YOUR PROOF. You know, that "...proof you have been led to"? BTW, it is "led to", not "lead too".
You go on to declare that "There is only one God (which by the way is true)," then proceed to say "They" don't play favourites, "They are always with us,""You are THEIR own children." You say, in effect, there is ONE GOD and "They" would never a world like the blogger describes. This is ...what ...a Subject/Verb Agreement problem, or something like that? High school-level weaknesses in one's writing suggest that a person is not well-read, as that improves writing skills. One of the biggest problems in modern civilization is the brash, intrusive challenging tone that uneducated people tend to direct at longstanding traditions and at educated people. Thrasymachos lives! (I'm not going to explain that reference. You can "seek out your own proof", as you have, apparently, done in the past.)
You also claim that God is a "doer", not a deity who wants us to show piety, read holy books, attend places of worship. What does He do? Did he stop the tsunami from striking Thailand? Did he spread angels' wings over Myanmar to protect it, strike Ted Bundy dumb and lame so that he could not attack his victims, strike down the petty, jealous, sexually frustrated gutter scum who hijacked the planes on 9/11? God is "non-interventionist" and gives human beings free will, even with the negative results that will often entail. He is, indeed, a "Judge", not a "doer", and this is a reality for which the Judaeo-Christian tradition accounts. As a Judge, I'm sure He DOES care whether or not our beliefs are misguided or corrupt, our holy books are full of bunk, our actions are thoughtless and degenerate.
The dead giveaway as to the type of diatribe being viewed was the offensive (and patently false) assertion that news is delivered to us by "Rich, Old, White, Males." This typical far left, Liberal, pseudointellectual nonsense. In the career world, including the media, heterosexual, non-disabled, white males are the only group against whom it is legal and even "suggested" that employers should discriminate. The Media is MILES left of centre and any informed person can see it with his own eyes. Lest you forget, old school white males gave you, and EVERYONE else, the airplane, electricity, the automobile, the telephone, antibiotics and modern medicine in general. They have put a man on the moon, given trillions of dollars in foreign aid and immensely expanded the life expectancy in countries OTHER THAN THEIR OWN, all over the world. Show a little respect, pissant. Have LEARNING to display before you display such a challenging tone to educated people in THEIR blogs. And don't think that just because the beliefs you espouse are Liberal that they will go unchallenged.
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